Irish Forums Message Discussion :: Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish

irelandIrish Forums :: The Irish Message Forums Irish Communityireland
Irish Forums :: The Irish Message
Forums About Ireland and the Irish Community, For the Irish home and Abroad. Forums include- Irish Music, Irish History, The Irish Diaspora, Irish Culture, Irish Sports, Astrology, Mystic, Irish Ancestry, Genealogy, Irish Travel, Irish Reunited and Craic

IRISH BARGAINS ONLINE
Search Irish Websitesireland
Irish Forums Bookmark The Irish Community Forums

Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish

       Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish Information
Post New Irish Message Discussion In Sceala Irish Craic Forum    Reply To Irish Community Message About Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish In Sceala Irish Craic Forum
Irish Forums :: The Irish Message Forums- Sceala Irish Craic Forum- Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish
Irish Author Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish Sceala Irish Craic Forum Irish Message
Brian T Dublin

Sceala Philosopher
Location: Dublin






Sceala Irish Craic Forum Discussion:     Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish

the theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish was all but a genocidal campaign.
What is both remarkable and immoral is that the descendants of these mafia like criminals who murdered and abused native Irish on a commission, (murdered in order to steal land and resources) still own grand castles and places and estates built on blood and crimes against humanity!

Criminal assets bureau should investigate!

History of the colonization of Ireland and abuses of the native Irish may be best viewed through a keyhole, through a moment or a personal story!

Why? Because - the scale of abuses in the English and later British colonization of Ireland and abuses on the Irish were of such a shocking scale as not able to be really taken in, and understood!
much like looking at the stars the image is hazed blurred, scale can not be understood - but it can if you look at a single star!


the following grant of Irish lands to one George Sherlock is just a minute fraction of the complete theft of every inch of Irish land every resource known, all of which the so called Queen in England directly benefited from - she got rent on all of it!
her descendants (as remote as current German Saxe coburg gothas are) today still benefit from these past crimes and thefts.

George Sherlock is a illuminating part of the methodical theft of land and resources of Ireland and colonization and subjection of the Irish people.


Just look at the detailed theft and handouts to George Sherlock, foot soldier of the Mafia Crown, as long as George pays his taxes to the Crown, gives his boss his oath and more importantly her 'share' and does not deal with the natives directly, he will he protected as a Crown servant (mafia puppet.)
Probably soon be called Sir George Sherlock or his heirs Lord and Lady Sherlock, still living in a big house that some fools romanticize of today as being quaint and of cultured folk and not what the reality was - palaces of thugs.
Like the palaces of modern day drug lords! (Lords being such a appropriate term)
Much like say Idi Amin was once a rewarded puppets! Unlike George Sherlock who's family continued to own stolen land (receiving stolen goods), Idi made the mistake of asking to keep more and pay less tax back to Her Majesty's coffers.


History context guide -
Words are human made and flexible can change over time - so when you study history not to assume a word means the same as of the now,

When reading and concluding a understanding of the English Elizabethan Fiants - the word 'Alienate' for example refers to the legal meaning then and not as in being unfriendly!

Alienate in Elizabethan fiants was a racial (racist) order to not sell land or allow resources to be owned by the Irish, at least not without the Crown mafia Head approval

Irish Community Images

Some more terms to understand the scale -

" cartron" equated to around 30 acres

"carucate" equated to around 100 acres

" rebels" - native Irish who refused to be owned


George Sherlock Queens own bully Boy gets all this for his deeds.
(text is from originals at bottom)


Fiant number 5950 (4312.)

Grant to George Sherlock ;

A fourth part of a moiety of the lands of Kilfrushe, co. Limerick, containing 1/2 a carucate (rent, 1s.), parcel of the lands of James Nugent, late of Kilfrush, yeoman, attainted;

Kilmelagie, Dromsallaghe, Kyappendick, ancl Mongfoyne, 1 and a 1/2 carucates, lands of Donnogh roe M'Teige, of Kivalahie, slain in rebellion, (12s.) ;

a third part of a moiety of one carucate in Cwige, same co., the lands of [Iwraem'Shane O'Hee, Donel] m'Edmond [O Hee], and Malaghlin Skinnoghe m'Conoghor O Hee, yeomen, late of Liskannill, slain in rebellion, (3s);

land in Rathduffe, parcel of the lands of Donald m'Edm. O Riordan, of Rathduffe, slain in rebellion, (10d.);

3/4 of half a carucate in Rakivintane, same co., parcel of the lands of Mahon and Murrogh [O] Brien fitz Miriertagh, of Rakinvintan, attainted, (3s.);

1/4 of a carucate in Cahirdavin, same co., parcel of the lands of Moriertagh m'Donnogh m'Knoghor Cnowaghe, slain in rebellion, (2s.);

1/4 of a carucate in Ballifirren, (2s.) ;

1/7 of a quarter of land in Cloghflonde, (16-ifd.) ; lancl in Cloghy or Cloghin (4s.), same co., lands of Kennedy M'Brien. of Whiteston, attainted, which Wm. M'Nicholas mortgaged to said Kennedy OBrienfor 14 cows;

8 acres in Boggotston, same co., parcel of the lands of Maurice ancl John Boggott, of Boggods-ton, attainted, mortgaged to them by Eclm. Baggat, of same place, for 8 cows (16d.); 8 acres in Boggodston, parcel of the lands of Dermod O Flannor, of same, attainted, mortgaged to him by said Eclm. Baggott for 16 cows (16d.);

1/4 of a carucate in Killdonnell, parcel of the lands of Donnogh Obegg ancl Owin OHaleran, of same, attainted, wdiich Laughlen reagh O Halran mortgaged to [ ]ver O Brien for 8 cows, on whose death tho lancl descended to the said Donnogh and Owin, sons of Laughlin, according to the custom there, (2s.);

certain land granted in mortmain to the church of S. Michael in the barony of Carginglishe, occupied by persons called Converbini, in same co., (3s.);

land in Greinegonaghe, same co., parcel of the land of Wm. (son) of Terence M'Brien alias Win. m'Tirlaughe O Brien, late of Grehiegonaghe, attainted, (12d.);

certain land hi Cloghhiand Whiteston, same co., mortgaged by Nich. O Riordan, gent., to Kennedy M'Brien, of Whiteston, attahited, (6d.);

land in Glanscailie or Glanstalie, same co., parcel of the lands of Donnogh oge, of same, attainted, (20d.);

a ruined house near the castle of Holy Trinity in Youghall, co. Cork, parcel of the lands of Gerald, earl of Desmond, attainted, and for a time allotted as part of the jointure of Katherine, countess of Desmond, (12d.);

two other waste messuages in Youghell, parcel of the lands of the said earl, put in pledge to Bob. Tobin for £4, (6d.);

1/2 a carucate of land called Minoighter, in the barony of Imokelly, co. Cork, parcel of the lands of the said earl, (3s.) ;

an old ruined castle in the city of Cork, on the south part, in a place called the key of Cork, near the wall of the city, parcel of the queen's ancient inheritance, (3s.);

lands of Athmickmange near Ballimarter, in Imokelly, co. Cork, parcel of the lands of John fitz Jeamis Fitz Geralde, of Geraldins, attainted, (2s, 8d.);

lancl called Owlye lying by Castellishine, co. Cork, parcel of the lands of Euginius alias Owin m'Edm.oge M'Shihie, attainted, (12d.) ;

lands in Ballyfinanclrohicl, co. Cork, parcel of the lands of John Fitzgerald, of Geraldins, attainted, (5s. 2d.);

one carucate in the barony of Imokellie called Rathcoursy, co. Cork, parcel of the lands of Maurice fitz Edmond, of the Geraldines, attainted, (5s.);

the tithes of Loughdowan, co, Waterford, parcel of the lands of the late hospital of S. John of Jerusalem in Ireland, (6d.);

land in Newton, co. Waterford, parcel of the lands of the late house of S. Katherine by Waterford, (2s.);

one quarter of land called Chyarowntobber, being a fourth part of a plough lancl, co. of Cross Tipperary, parcel of the lands of S. John of Jerusalem in Ireland, (5s.);

Croshard containing one acre of great measure of the country making four acres of the standard measure of Ireland, same co., parcel of the lands of the priory of Fetherd, co. Tipperary, (12d.);

1/2 acre great measure in Gortegowne, co. Cross Tipperary, (6d), lancl called Donnogh m'Thomas MDonnell's great acre, by the lands of Cahire, co. Tipperary (12d.), 9 acres of said measure adjoining Lysna on the south, Slevegroth on the west, the river Shower on the north, and Beladrohed on the north (sic), in co. Tipperary, (9s.), 2 and 1/2 acres of said measure, adjoining the Great Grange and Ballim'aclam on the east, the river Shower on the south and west, and the lands of Cahire on the north, (2s. 6d.), 3 and a half acres of great measure in Killmelagh, co. Tipperary, adjoining Kiedaghe on the east and north, the lands of the lord (?) of Cahiro on the south, ancl Cloghbrecli on the west, (3s. 6d.), land in Litlegrange, same co., between the lands of Cahire on the south and west, Herreis on the north, Morreis's land on the east (2s.), 1-^ acre of like measure in Loghnemorraghe, same co,, (18d.), parcels of the lands of the priory of Cahir, same co.;

the lands of Liskillin, Gorteska, Gortyne, Leneheaghe, Ballewortamvye, Ballenekillye, ancl Corraghe, co. Limerick, lands of Tho. m'Shane M'Gibbon, of Liskillin, attainted, (36s. 3d.);

lands in Ballipiers, same co., parcel of the lands of Gibbon roe m'Shane oge, late of Kilmore, same co., attainted, which Rorie M'Shee held in mortgage, (5s.) ;

land in Balliroe, same co., parcel of the lands of David Backagh Fitz Philip, of same, attainted, (5s.);

Rathroan, and Charowblooe, same co., parcel of the lands of Rich.M'Thomas, of Pallaice, same co., attainted, (5s.);

lands in Arclaughe, same co,, parcel of the lands of Maurice M'Edmond, of same, attainted (7s. 6d.);

1/2 of a carucate in Dromlarie; Garimorie, and Graines, same co., lands of Donald m'Conlo 0 Brieh, of Greinegonnoghe, same co., attainted (2s.);

lands in Olonescroghan, same co., parcel of-the lands of James and Stephen Waale, of Clonescroghan aforesaid, attainted (10s.);

all tithes of the late house of friars preachers of Rosbrekan co. Kilkenny (3s. 4d.) ;

12 carucates of Mowskerrylowgher in [the lordship] of Desmond, in cos. Cork ancl Kerry, parcel of the lands of Donnell m'Fynin M'Owin, of same, attainted (37s. 4d.) ;

the rectory of Coricoghlan in the barony of Roscommon, ex¬ tending in the parishes of Kiltruskan, Clonfealaghe or Clonfen-lagh, and Templereaghe, co. Roscommon, parcel of the possessions of the late house of nuns of Ardkearne, in same co. (40s.);

lands of Aghcnaghe and Dromineshie, co. Longford, parcel of the lands of Tirlough m'Doiioglhe M'Gerald, attainted of felony (3s. ll^d.) ;

1/6 of a cartron called Aghlistowill in Knockbwy, same co., containing 3 acres, lands of Murrogh duff M'Qwin, attainted of felony (14d.) ;

the tolls of the market held weekly in Kill-may od or Kiltneiodie, same co., parcel of the queen's ancient inheritance (2s. 6d.) ;

1/4 of a cartron in Loghill, same co., parcel of the lands of Teige m'James 0 Ferrall, attainted (Is. 9d.);

all the premises were for long time concealed from the crown. To hold for ever, in free socage. Rent £12 10s. 8 and 1/16d.,
distributed as above.31 Aug., xxxvii.


Irish Community Images
Irish Community Images
Irish Community Images

Forum Message Irish Topic Alert

The Irish Community have posted
11 REPLIES TO THIS TOPIC
for logged in members to view.
Back to top  Login here and be redirected to this TopicLogin here and be redirected to this Topic RegisterRegister

    Post New Irish Community Message In Sceala Irish Craic Forum    Reply To Irish Community Message About Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish In Sceala Irish Craic Forum    Irish Forums :: The Irish Message Forums -> Sceala Irish Craic Forum
Page 1 of 1
If Seeking Information About Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish, Try Searching Irish Websites

Related Irish Topics
Can people change
Eircom League clubs vote for change
Johnson suspended as rules change
Kerry make just one change for final
Galway make just one positional change
Elizabethan theft of Irish land and murder of native Irish
Log in
Username:
Password:




SearchSearch
FAQFAQ

Search For Irish Websites
general Irish Websites search for information about Ireland and the Irish
Irish Websites

Research Irish Ancestors
Specific Irish heritage search engine, search for your Irish family surname roots, find out if your family have a Irish clan organisation.
Irish Websites
Irish Weather
Ireland Weather
Weather in Ireland
Ireland Weather forecast